Updates on the Kim-Orser Situation (Updated)
It is terribly sad that the Yu-na Kim and Brian Orser situation could not have been just (seemingly) amicable parting of the ways, and had to degenerate into a he said/she said situation riddled with rumors. But there is so much attention to anything having to do with Kim that it's not too surprising.
Anyway, Phil Hersh reports that troubles appear to have begun when Kim formed her own management team, headed by her mother. He says that Orser was unaware that Kim scheduled the press conference to announce her competitive plans for the year and that she and her mother were not returning emails. When they told him his coaching services were no longer needed, he kept mum. Orser even contends that Kim has told him she does not know why there is a split, and he says the situation with Kim still training at the rink he coaches at is becoming "untenable." He also cites the rumors that he was approached to coach Mao Asada as a possible reason for the start of troubles.
Some additional information from the article:
In a statement Monday reported by a Korean newspaper, AT Sports said, "Ever since Orser was offered a job to coach another skater, we have had an awkward relationship. Since June, Kim Yuna has essentially been training alone."
Orser said financial issues had nothing to do with the split. He denied reports of having received a $1 million bonus after KIm won the Olympics.
"I'm the lowest paid coach at this level in the history of figure skating,'' Orser said. "I get $110 an hour, and that is what I charged her. I did make something from Korean commercials, but there was no deal between us for that."
Very interesting. If things really did take a turn following Orser being approached by Asada's team, then you have to think that's ludicrous. There's no reason one of the best coaches in the world would not be approached by other skaters, and he obviously shouldn't have been punished for that. I have to think there is more to the story that Orser hasn't revealed...right (like, did he consider actually taking Asada on while he was still with Kim)? I wish I had an inside source right about now.
For Kim's part, there was an interview with one of her representatives before the latest Orser-oriented article. She stated:
A. We (Brian, Yuna's mom, and Yuna) have already known one and another why Yuna has parted with him. We don't feel any need to inform the reason to the outside. Yuna's mom, Yuna, and Brian, all the people, have well understood this reason.
Q. He feels Yuna also does not know why. Is that true?
A. That's only a matter of Brian's feeling. Yuna already knows the reason why this relationship has ended. We always asked Yuna first.
Obviously, that is not helpful for us, stating we all know the reason but we won't tell. Perhaps just...no comment. And if Yu-na is telling Orser she doesn't know why he is no longer her coach, then that is a pretty unprofessional tack as well, especially if she does know why.
There is a lot going on here that we don't know and it's tough, because it's all rumors and each thing makes the other side look worse. I'm sure Kim will be fine with whomever she chooses to work with next. I really only worry if she will be able to motivate herself to care about a competition again. For Orser's part, he seems to be a great coach, and I can't say I don't love the idea of him taking on Asada next, since the Kim relationship has gone down in flames. I feel like that might be the extra motivation Kim might need to get out there and compete with some fire now that the Olympics are over. But, that is kind of a soap opera script approach. I think maybe Orser might do best to stay with some up and comers. It seems like that would make life a little simpler!
UPDATED: Here is an article from Yonhap News with further quotes from Kim, including:
"Do you really believe that I've been completely happy training for those four years, just as it seems to the outside world?" Kim wrote. "I don't want to tell you all about what happened, and I don't have to. It's all between us."
Sad. It's all very confusing. It also sounds like Kim is mad that Orser is commenting about her team, including her mom (and insinuating that the mother is behind the decision), but Kim is publicly accusing Orser of lying. Nothing good in this situation.
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Let it go, Orser. You are hurting both of you.
Stop interviewing. Just stop. Your voice has been heard more than anyone wants to hear on the split. People understand how hurting it is to you. It is time for you to let it go for your sake, and for Yuna’s. Didn’t you wish Yuna the best at the national TV only yesterday? What you are doing with the media is not the actions that will bring the best to her, and to yourself. I hope that today is a better, saner day for both of you, and if we all can have it is entirely up to you.
Are You Kidding?
“Stop interviewing. Just stop. Your voice has been heard more than anyone wants to hear on the split.”
You’re kidding, right? I suspect there is a not so small army of people who wouldn’t mind hearing a lot more on this topic from all the participants. Surely you can see that in the absence of any athletic competition this little row is the closest figure skating gets to real entertainment value. Or perhaps you would prefer another round of the Johnny Weir/Evan Lysacek spitting contest?
absolutely agree
Not only he should stop talking BS, he should stop doing things that can put him in legal trouble. He just revealed Yuna’s program music. Is he a former figure skating World Champ ?? He should know better. Or did he completely lose his mind ?? He must have felt like Yuna’s mom stole ‘his daughter’ or something. Otherwise, his actions are difficult to fathom…
Legal Trouble? C'mon.
What? Is “the queen” going to demand Orser’s head on a silver platter? Aside from that I really can’t think of what kind of “legal trouble” could result from his comments.
It’s all well and good to wish Orser would stop talking about this incident but what he’s doing is pretty much how people react when they’ve been called a liar in public. And if Yu-na and Mom don’t like it then maybe they should have handled this matter in a somewhat less high handed fashion.
BTW, I don’t think the rather minor revelations about Yu-na’s program are going to do anyone any harn. I think there is very little chance that Yu-na is going to skate at the World Championships or any other competition, at least for a long while.
So This Is Sports Management.
I’ve been following the wide, wide world of sports for a long time now and it’s never been exactly clear to me just what a “sports management” company does. This spat between Kim Yu-na and Brian Orser has shown us that I’m not the only one in the dark on this question. Clearly, no one handling Kim Yu-na these days has any idea of how to manage an international sports figure. Regardless of who is to blame for what in the Kim-Orser split it’s obvious that Kim’s image has taken an enormous and totally unnecessary hit. The Olympics may allow professionals to compete these days but over at Kim’s management company it is still very much amateur hour. Did they really think that they could fire Brian Orser and not have to make an announcement about it? Did they think that he could be let go without anyone noticing as if he were a valet or busboy? And then when they finally spoke they committed one gaffe after another. They claim things have been rocky between Yu-na and Orser since the latter was approached by “another skater”. I’m sorry, folks, but Mao Asada is not just “another skater” and everyone knows who you’re referring to. Then some AT spokesperson comes out and says that all this is no big deal, it’s just like any other change of coaches in figure skating. Yea, right, and Kim Yu-na is just another kid practicing spins down at the rink. And to top it all off, Yu-na tried to fight this fire with gasoline by publicly calling Orser a liar.
What is apparent is that when Kim and her mother formed their own sports management company they got in WAY over their heads and that now they are paying a fairly steep price with a public relations disaster that could have been very easily avoided.
If you're forming your own management company
which apparently is the rage when you become huge in Korea… you need to do it Entourage style.
- Your friend can be your manager, but he actually has to be smart about it and has your client’s best interests at heart.
- You HAVE TO have someone else you can bounce ideas with and check in about everything, i.e. your own Ari Gold to make sure you’re both not completely insane.
Reading the stories of how stars in Korea have been screwed over by their management companies, I wonder how she had hers set up. Usually the usurpers take all your money instead of f’ing up the best part of the situation, the coach/talent relationship! You need that to survive.
Managing A Mess.
I think Yu-na and her mother had two things in mind when they formed their own management company. They wanted to make sure they weren’t being screwed by some fly-by-night outfit and they thought they could save themselves money by doing that work themselves. These aren’t awful ideas, but what they are finding out is that there is a lot more to this business than not getting screwed. It requires a lot of work and expertise and you can’t do it all yourself, so you’re going to have to hire people who you can trust and who you have to pay. My suspicion is that Yu-na just leaves the details up to Mom and that Mom, however good she may be at keeping track of nickels and dimes, doesn’t really have the know-how to run this kind of operation. Just because you’ve raised a champion skater doesn’t mean you know all there is to know about managing and marketing someone as big as Kim Yu-na. And just having the goods, meaning the gold medal winning skater, doesn’t mean the goods just sell themselves and you can simply run roughshod over people. One hopes both mother and daughter are learning something from this shabby experience.
Orser broke "cardinal rule" of figure skating...
Read the most recent news on the Yuna-Orser breakup. From Universal Sports,
“We could understand Brian Orser’s frustration when he was let go by his star pupil Kim Yu-Na. But now, it appears Orser has taken it a step too far by breaking an unwritten rule in figure skating – revealing a skater’s music without consent. "
Bad boy, Orser !!!
Not So Cardinal Rule.
Here is a link to Phil Hersh’s most recent blog. Hersh has written extensively about figure skating and Kim Yu-na for the Chicago Tribune…
Note the part where he writes that some skaters keep their programs and music secret and some skaters don’t. Apparently, Kim Yu-na was one of those who did. I’m not really sure how this qualifies as a big deal and doesn’t quite rate the hysterics that Kim’s managment are applying to it.
I especially like the way Hersh called this ongoing soap opera “As The Ice Melts”.
That is what Hersh thinks...
Why is Hersh’s opinion the authority ? If Yuna keeps it secret, then you don’t reveal unless you have her consent. It seems pretty cut and dry situation.
by badukmaster on Aug 27, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Moral Standards, All Cut And Dry, Coming Right Up!
Hersh’s opinion is not in any sense authorative, but he’s a writer who has followed Kim Yu-na’s career in detail and is a fan of her skating. He positively gushed about her when she won the gold medal in Vancouver. But despite all that he hasn’t sipped the Kim Yu-na Kool Aid (perhaps coming soon to a supermarket near you!) and sees this brouhaha for the mostly hilarious nonsense that it is. In that spirit, I toss out yet another link:
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=070000&biid=2010082723208
I particularly liked this part:
’Her management agency AT Sports said “Leaking the new program to the public without prior consultation goes beyond the moral standards for a sports leader.”
Brings a tear to your eye, doesn’t it? Frankly, I don’t place much stock in the moral standards of most “sports leaders” I can think of (Tiger Woods? Brett Favre? The Steinbrenners?) and I think I’ll save my moral outrage for something other than the shenanigans of bunch of high strung aliens from Planet Figure Skating. And I don’t think we need to spend much time mulling over the “prior consultation” concerns of the same people who let Orser find out about Yu-na’s plans for the upcoming season through the media.
How could all of this been avoided? Easy! Kim Yu-na, who has forcefully let us know that she is no longer a child, could have tried dealing with this like an adult. Yu-na should have made up her mind about her plans for the upcoming season in a timely fashion, decided what kind of skating she wanted to do and then told Orser whether or not she wanted to continue training with him. They could have held a joint press conference announcing her intentions and, if it were so decided, parted as friends and even leaving the door open for future collaboration. But she drifted along another path by dithering for too long, avoiding responsibility, and then letting her “management” handle the messy stuff, duties the “management” was in no way shape or form ready to perform. We may think Brian Orser has gone overboard these past few days but Kim Yu-na really has no one to blame for this mess but herself.
Team Orser
I have been a big fan of Kim Yuna. This reeks of amateur hour from Kim Yuna’s camp. Talk about creating a huge scandal out of what should have been a mid-summer small news clip. If he was let go officially on Aug. 2, why didn’t her “management company” say anything? How is Orser supposed to continue on without eventually saying anything? Then the silly Twitter tweets from Kim Yuna. Silly teenager. If I was her management company, I would tell Yuna’s mother to take Yuna’s cell phone away from her for a week — oh yeah, her mom is the manager. Career management by Twitter.
Perhaps Orser spoke out of turn about the music. Who knows? He has handled this with grace and dignity. Kim has handled this like a spoiled teenager with $10,000,000 in the bank.
She is no longer an ice princess in the eyes of the world.
The Ice Capades could use her, though.

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